Black Panther elder and activist Ashanti Alston and William C. Anderson, co-author of As Black As Resistance: Finding the Conditions for Liberation and author of The Nation on No Map: Black Anarchism and Abolition discuss how they came to (black) anarchism, the shortcomings of falling into problematic organizational forms over and over again, the need to evolve and try new things, finding hope and happiness, the interplay of theory and action, and the reality and necessity of support for political prisoners.